MBA Series (Ep. 1) — Intro to the Next Economy

Ryan Honeyman
3 min readAug 24, 2022

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To kick off our new MBA Series, LIFT Partners Erin Axelrod and Kevin Bayuk sit down to give a run down of what our listeners can expect in the following podcasts, how it relates to the Next Economy MBA program, and to introduce some important terms and concepts that will be explored in future episodes. Much of this is about different ways to think about fundamental ideas, supporting the development of the next economy, and the significance of our use of the words ‘next’, and ‘economy’.

One of the founding principles of our organization is our need to imagine what comes next, and the utmost importance of this to the planet as a whole. Thus, spearheading a progressive and impactful critique, and getting away from the confines of the default, business-as-usual economy is a big part of what we do.

Tuning in today, you will hear a little about rethinking ownership and profit-making, links between reduced energy consumption and improved quality of life, ways to break free from the damaging effects of exploitative norms, and better models for healthy scaling and necessary replication. So if you want to come on this journey to imagine a healthier and more equitable future for all, start here.

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Key Points From This Episode:

  • The broader meaning of ‘economy’ in the context of this work.
  • Escaping the confines of the ‘business-as-usual’ economy.
  • The inability to separate the economy from the legacy of oppression and inequality.
  • Unpacking the core idea of the ‘next economy’ and the significance of the usage of the word ‘next’.
  • The central roles of land, housing, and access in birthing the next economy.
  • Reframing ownership and the inspiring example of Our Table Cooperative.
  • Introducing the concept of enterprises as part of movement networks that can transform systems.
  • Situating new technologies in these ideas for the future and reduced energy usage.
  • The fundamental points of critique of the business-as-usual economy.

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Economy, to us, encompasses much more than interest, debt, and dividends. Erin

A lot of the choicefulness that entrepreneurs and individuals are able to step into is defined by legacies of harm and oppression. Erin

A lot of the techniques, strategies, and approaches that we explore in the Next Economy MBA are actually really old. So they are not new, and they come in most part from indigenous wisdom, traditions, and lifeways. Kevin

There is such an abundance of innovative ways to look at how we truly relate to land and housing. Erin

If you take away the orientation towards profit-making, you can have better practices! Kevin

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Links Mentioned in Todays Episode:

Next Economy MBA Online Course —

Our Table Cooperative

Robin Wall Kimmerer

Erin Axelrod

Kevin Bayuk

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Ryan Honeyman

Partner at LIFT Economy. B Corp Nerd. Coauthor of “The B Corp Handbook” and "The Next Economy MBA." Co-host of "Beyond the B" and "Next Economy Now" podcasts.